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• 3/29/2015

Contributors' Suggestion

decided to make a topic to discuss on ideas and suggestion by wiki contributors. anyways, one contibutor mentioned that lizzie should get a kill for killing ashley (by accident). according to vikk, ashley killed herself and since his account is the only proof we have, we should take it.

but that pops another question, does that mean ashley and lizzie both deserved a kill each? they did technically  killed themselves with their fire. friendly kills (Pat-Think) and suicides (Vikk) were all mentioned as official kills. Indirect kills were also official in the case of Stacy, Grape, Bayani, Dfield, Dowsey and etc etc. do we add in as part of our statistics.

The challenge of that is that it has an impact on our trivia's. dul was mentioned as the first female to make a kill in s5 in multiple trivias. if ashley's kill was counted, ashley would be the first female to make a kill and lizzie would be second. we would then need to make some ammendments in a couple of articles. thoughts on that?

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• 3/30/2015
Greenframfrit wrote:
i dont really understand 0/1 and 1/2? can we just use 1??

If im free later today, il do the ammendments on the related trivias

I don't know, there's always a possibility that LIZZIE killed Ashley. Vikk may be wrong. I also put a footnote on each of the numbers.

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• 3/30/2015

after thinking about it, i dont think lizzie should get the kill for killing herself. becos this opens up to all the accidental damages other players inflicted on themselves resulted in their death, from fall dmg to jumping into lava and suffocation. at what point do we consider a pve non-mob related kill or a pvp self-inflicted kill?

it also might bring up problem in the future in battle when 2 players fought, one used lava/flint-steel and accidentally killed themself then the question posed on who deserve the kill. 

i credit her kill to ashley, if she indeed did kill her by accident. but lizzie's one should be mark as pve result of her own carelessness, similar to jwong with tnt and dolphin with fall. just my opinion

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• 3/30/2015
Greenframfrit wrote:
after thinking about it, i dont think lizzie should get the kill for killing herself. becos this opens up to all the accidental damages other players inflicted on themselves resulted in their death, from fall dmg to jumping into lava and suffocation. at what point do we consider a pve non-mob related kill or a pvp self-inflicted kill?

it also might bring up problem in the future in battle when 2 players fought, one used lava/flint-steel and accidentally killed themself then the question posed on who deserve the kill. 

i credit her kill to ashley, if she indeed did kill her by accident. but lizzie's one should be mark as pve result of her own carelessness, similar to jwong with tnt and dolphin with fall. just my opinion

I feel like my mind's about to explode. I respect your opinion, but I feel like Lizzie's fire was not natural, unlike JWong's TNT and Dolphin's gravity. I mean, her fire wasn't there when the world generated, right? I'm not sure which theory is right, though.

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• 3/30/2015
your point make sense. at the moment just leave it be. will see if any other ppl have anything to say first
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• 3/30/2015

Greenframfrit wrote: your point make sense. at the moment just leave it be. will see if any other ppl have anything to say first

Also, thinking about the definitions of 'natural' and 'artificial', artificial means made by humankind, while natural is not. Lizzie's fire was artificial, as she made it herself.

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• 3/30/2015

did all the required ammendments regarding ldshadowlady and ashley's kills.

just to note, vikkstar mentioned 3 times it was ashley who killed herself (once in lizzie's perspective, once in his ending clip and another in chat) also although there was a cut in lizzie's perspective, there was another fire on the ground lit, near the entrance. not sure if lizzie set it but when vikk explained that it wasn't directly outside the door (which was lizzie's fire), lizzie then said something about it probably wasn't her.

in addition, i think ashley did mentioned she set herself on fire but was laughing at the same time so it was quite hard to catch what she was trying to say. there is also no proof it was lizzie's fire that killed Ashley but there was somewhat evidence via vikk's account that ashley was the one who killed herself. for the sake of evidence, i suggest we use what he said

so i think ashley was the one who killed herself and lizzie killed herself, each girls getting one kill each.

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• 3/30/2015

It seems like you have done your research Green, I'm willing to put what you believe happened :)

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• 3/30/2015

Nice job on the research! This conversation was really interesting and the majority reason I was doing this was because I was a Lizzie fan, but this was really intriguing. So, the research is all finalized and everything is correct?

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• 3/30/2015

Okay, so I was looking at the footage again, and the fire that Lizzie set was placed before Ashley's. The other fire (to the left of the door) was probably not even Ashley's, as you can see that Lizzie walked right through that spot, even though it wasn't there on her screen and she would have died much earlier if Ashley placed. Maybe Lizzie placed the other one as well..

I don't know. My evidence seems too vague.
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• 3/31/2015

i agree with the fire placement. i just decided on that because vikk is the only witness/evidence we have. so if the info is wrong regarding this, it is not because of our faulty assumption but is base on one of the player's witness account.